That's How to Play the 8th
Ian,Lee and Tony. Now we presume that is your 2nd shot . Next time try to be below the pin ,you'll soon find out if don't know the reason. Some find this green difficult and can use other "words". "Anything that makes us think about it, talk about it and dream about it is all to the good and prevents the game becoming dead" Alister MacKenzie ,The World's most influential Golf Architect. In his book he goes on to describe his best works were always described to be as"unfair"